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as if the u.s. government would not pay interest on its debts. have -- you know perfectly well will is about a million things. i have been in the country where they ran out of borrowing capacity and managed important several years to survive without that borrowing capacity. there's a million things you can do before. you don't pay your debt on the u.s. treasuries before you stop paying social security, before you do lots of other things. is he purposefully trying to elevate this to a situation that frightens people? >> in many ways -- this is like the mayan calendar. they said the world would end december 21. we are all still here. the fiscal cliff negotiations and the debts limit thing are not the end of the world and we will figure it out. the most important thing to keep in mind is long term. we want to have a healthy fiscal situation. we have to have a healthy economy. we have to address growth. here's something else that is -- totally missing from this conversation. >> jimmy? >> understand that the executive branch is required under federal law to notify the legislative branch that, fac
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